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Filters

Q.    I am considering buying one of your scanner filters, but I'll need some clarification first. Here's my situation: I just moved into an apartment near the beach in Southern California. I plopped my older model Bearcat 800 XLT base scanner on a desk near a window in the office and connected a simple indoor antenna much better than the factory model that attaches to the back of the scanner. I received aircraft comms and police & safety comms with no problem. I had terrific reception. However, recently I've experienced a ton of static-like interference on the air band that makes it difficult to listen, as well as more minor interference on the 400- and 800-MHz bands. We've been getting really high winds lately, and I thought that could be a factor. I've checked in the apartment, and I can't pinpoint any local cause of interference. Would a scanner filter help? What kind would be best? Or is this a losing proposition where I'd be better served getting a handheld scanner?  I live in a suburb of Los Angeles, 10 to 15 miles from L.A. International Airport, so the airport signals are usually plenty strong.
Chris Redondo Beach, Calif.

A.    The scanner filter will remove specific interference frequencies from the 100-200 MHz range in your scanner (like digital paging or aircraft signals interfering with police band reception), but will not remove broadband noise; you will have to find the source of the noise to do that. Does the noise remain if you go back to the original antenna? Is the noise always present day and night? Do you hear it on another scanner? What if you move your scanner to another dwelling; do you still hear it? Yes, and I'll bet you sometimes hear the aircraft signals in the 155 MHz range, don't you? That was pretty common with the old double-conversion scanners. The Scanner Filter will eliminate those images from the police band.


Q.     Does the FTR-100 take an antenna or is it only good for nearby monitoring? I get some interference on my BC895  from a nearby cell tower, but need the antenna for Youngstown and Boardman which covers about  20 square miles.

 A.     It is designed to use between the cable coming from an outdoor antenna and your scanner. It has a BNC connector in and out. You might also consider a more directional antenna like our popular ANT-02 Scanner Beam; you can orient it on a mast so that the side nulls out (or at least reduces) the unwanted signal direction that is causing interference.

Q.     How do I remove the audio hum when I use 8 ohm headphones with the Autek QF1 Shortwave Interference IC Filter. R. Bradley

A.     I haven't seen one of those in well over a decade, I would assume it is coming from an AC adaptor; if that's the case, using a battery instead of the adaptor should solve the problem. 
You might also try substituting another AC adaptor of the correct voltage and current. Be sure the case of the QF-1 is electrically connected to the chassis of the radio; this is usually done through the shielding of the cable to the audio jack, but try momentarily connecting a wire from a ground screw on the adaptor to a metal part on the radio just to be sure.
Finally, it's possible you have what is know as an "AC hum loop." Does your house wiring have a third-wire ground as revealed by wall plugs that have a third hole next to the two slots? If not, a ground loop is possible. Try reversing the plug into the wall socket on the radio (if it's two wire) and on the adaptor.

Q.    Do you know where I can purchase an AM broadcast filter for my VR-5000  receiver? I am looking for one to put inline with the antenna like is done  with an FM trap. Also, have you received any complaints regarding the poor  selectivity of the VR-5000? I read the specs on it and the AOR version, and  it looked good, but I must say I am a bit surprised by the amount of intermod  I am experiencing. It seems to be everywhere! I can hear WWV all across the 5  meg band. I especially enjoy monitoring ARINC traffic and I can often hear  the CUT clock ticking in the background. What have you heard or read?   M. Fontaine

A.    One thing that we need to realize about these extremely-wide-frequency-coverage receivers is that they offer enormous
functional capabilities at very low prices, so something has to be compromised. Since the capabilities they perform are primarily software (essentially "free" from a manufacturer's cost standpoint), they make up on cost savings on hardware. Filters are one of the most expensive components, so that's one place the manufacturers save money.
    I'm not aware of any AM broadcast filters available for that unit, but there may be some third-party filters available on the Internet.  As for the filter you might want to try:  US Technical Support Email amateurtech@yaesuusa.com.

 

Q.    I'm getting a lot of interference on my scanner (Radio Shack Pro2052) from a nearby cell transmitter. Interference occurs when monitoring a trunk system with frequencies between 857MHz and 862MHz. Would your product, Grove FTR-100 Scanner Filter, help me reduce this problem?

A.    In all likelihood, the interfering paging transmitter is in the 152 or 158 MHz range and, in that case, yes, the FTR-100 should do a great job eliminating the intermod. First, be sure that's where it's coming from. Remove the external antenna and switch to the internal whip, even a very short wire (paper clip??). Search 152-153 and 158-160 looking for the offending pager. If it is still heard strongly, and you don't hear other signals, then you've probably found the offending frequency!

General Questions

Q.    Hello, I recently purchased a WinRadio WR-LWA-0130 long wire antenna adapter (balun) from you as well as 100 feet of RG-6/U antenna feed coax for my long wire shortwave antenna. Order invoice # 37756.  I have just come to realize that the RG-6/U coax cable is 75 ohms and my Grundig Satellit receiver has a coax input connector for 50 ohms!! This is written next to the connector. My question is: Is it wrong or will I have a problem using 75 ohm coax antenna feed instead of the 50 ohm type? Will this hinder my SW. reception?  Should I have used 100 ft. of 50 ohm coax? I see that you do not carry 100 ft. of 50 ohm coax.  I really would appreciate any help or advise about this. I am trying to get the best reception that I can with the 70 ft. long wire antenna I just completed. It is a 70 foot bare copper wire connected to the balun with 10 feet of insulated wire. The RG-6/U cable runs from the above balun to my receiver.  I am now worried that I should have used 50 ohm coax instead of 75 ohms.  Can you help or advise me on this please?? Thank you for your time and help..73's. Harvey Bell

A.    For shortwave receiving purposes, the impedance you use for coax is of no importance; you won't notice a bit of difference between signal levels on 50 vs. 75 ohm line. We use the RG-6/U 75 ohm cable because it has lower loss than RG-58/U 50 ohm coax. At VHF/UHF ranges (not so much at HF), the low loss can mean the difference between hearing and not hearing a weak signal with long lengths of coax. It's much more important the impedance; that's why we carry only the RG-6/U


Q.
    I have a Grundig Satellit 800 with a 100' Random wire fed through coax to a 9:1 balun.  I've had this setup for four years and have been very pleased with it.  That is until two months ago when I started getting broadband noise across the SW bands wiping out all but the strongest of SW signals (S9 or higher).  I have checked and we do not have:
1.  BPL
2.  I have unplugged every electrical device in the house with no change to noise
3.  Running off batteries eliminates the noise (and many signals even at lower signal strengths flow in like crazy)
4.  Tried a new (non-stock) RS wall wart rated for the power regulated power supply and this cut the noise by about 10% but it is still bad enough to make me not partake in my favorite hobby. I have been reading up on toroids as the thought of running of D Cells permanently for SWLing makes the wallet want to run and hide.  Can you help me think of anything I missed? I have been reading your magazine for years now and I'm sure at one time or another you've covered this but I can't find anything in my back issues. Thanks for the quality magazine and for helping keep the hobby alive. Best DX and warmest regards, Adam Smith

A.    It sounds like you've done your homework; now one more thing to try: With the radio operating on batteries and disconnected from the wall adaptor, plug the adaptor back into the wall and see if the noise can be directly attributed to the adaptor. If so, it's a switching type which is infamous for this kind of raucous noise. You will need to change to a transformer-type adaptor; they are bigger and heavier, but they don't generate noise

 

Q. Why do you hear TV stations on your BC-80, but not on your BC-246T.

A.  The answer is: The BC-80 is a very basic scanner that has poor image rejection. TV signals aren't the only signals you will hear repeated on incorrect frequencies within the BC-80's tuning range.   All scanners have oscillators which produce signals that combine in a variety of ways internally; the unwanted ones (images) are filtered out so that only the one desirable combination remains (this is called the intermediate frequency, or "IF"). If more than one of the combinations remains, you will hear images as phantom signals on frequencies that really don't have any activity on them. This is what you are hearing on the BC-80.   The BC-246T and other current-model scanners are built to more rigid specifications with better filtering to remove images. This is a requirement by the FCC so that images from cellular phone signals, now deleted from scanners, cannot be overheard on their images.

 The bleed-over to adjacent channels is most likely caused by poor IF selectivity filters chosen for this model. This is done to keep the price down with hopes that the listener will not be trying to hear signals on the next adjacent assignable frequency when signals are strong. I'm afraid there's nothing you can do besides replace the IF selectivity filters, which is not an option. Some scanners have better IF filters than others; unfortunately, these specifications are rarely given.
If all signals are very strong, you can try using a "worse" indoor antenna, or even inserting an attenuator in the line (or switch the attenuator function on for those three memory channels if you have one). A trick often done by scanner enthusiasts to actually defeat this deficiency is to enter the higher-frequency channel another 5 kHz higher, and the lower-frequency channel 5 kHz lower. You should still be able to hear both, but now they are separated by an additional 10 kHz. For example, if you have two frequencies assigned as  151.615 and 151.630, enter them instead as 151.610 and 151.635 MHz

Q.  I have an RCI-2950 running off an I-max2000 .Would a Receiver amp increase my listening capability to any extent?? Thank you., W. Carey

A. At 27 MHz a receiver preamplifier won't do anything but increase the background noise right along with the signal, so you don't really get
anywhere. Preamps don't really help reception on frequencies below at least 50-100 MHz. A better antenna is the answer.

Choice of Co-Ax Cable Impedances for Radio Use
    These standards were set many decades ago. 50 ohms provided the most efficient match for transmission through coaxial cable (current-carrying capacity versus loss in the cable), while video reception (voltage rather than current) efficiencies were better at 75 ohms.
    And there's another reason: A basic, half-wavelength, dipole antenna has a 75 ohm feed point impedance in free space; it's a little lower in typical terrestrial installations. Similarly, TV antennas with their multiple elements are closer to 75 ohms, and 300 ohm dipoles are easily matched with 4:1 balun transformers (300:75 ohms).

 

Q. I leave my DC adaptor for my new receiver plugged into the wall all the time.  The DC adaptor is hot even when my receiver is not attached.  Is the adaptor drawing electricity even though there is no receiver attached?  Should I unplug DC adaptors from the wall when not in use?  I have lots of gadgets with DC adaptors.

A. Nearly all AC adaptors are simply transformers with rectifier/filter circuits. Since a transformer is a collection of wire windings, when they are plugged into the wall they draw current. The current is low, but with time, they can burn out. I unplug all mine when not using equipment for long periods of time or charging batteries.

 

Q. I have a DC power supply that says 40mw. Nothing else on it's capacity. It is a 18v. I need to know it's amperage. Jamie

A. Amps are calculated by dividing watts by volts. In this case you would divide 0.040 watts (40 milliwatts) by 18 volts, giving you 0.002 amps
(2 milliamps).

 

Q.  What causes a scanner to " go deaf?" I have had a  couple of vhf/uhf do this.
     Could barely hear my HT standing next to it.  Mark

A.    It literally could be any number of things.  Desense, AGC lockup, CTCSS or DCS lockup, heat related problem (amp component breakdown), etc.  One thing that concerns me if you have been exposing your scanner to transmit RF that could also cause a premature death. This is especially so if you have your receive antennas co-located with your
transmit antennas.

 

Q.    How do I tell if a frequency is AM, WFM, NFM? Thanks in advance, Scott Bailey.

A.    Your question is not easy to answer.  For instance, in the HF radio spectrum just about anything goes. Above 30 MHz certain pieces of the spectrum has their mode of choice (but there are always caveats here as well).  There are some loose rules that radio hobbyist follow. For instance here are the highlights of the VHF/UHF spectrum assignments.

 
MT's Quick Guide to the VHF/UHF Spectrum
By Larry Van Horn, N5FPW Copyright 2003
 
30-50 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety/Private and Government (NFM/Data and digital modes/occasional shortwave harmonic broadcasting AM mode)
50-54 MHz Amateur Radio 6 meter band (CW/SSB/Digital modes/NFM)
54-72 MHz Television Broadcast Channels 2-4 (WFM audio/AM video/HDTV digital)
72-76 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety/Private (Proprietary data modes/NFM voice relay links)
76-88 MHz Television Broadcast Channels 5-6 (WFM audio/AM video/HDTV digital)
88-108 MHz FM broadcast (WFM)
108-137 MHz Civilian VHF Aircraft band (AM/ACARS data signals)
137-138 MHz Satellite downlinks (Wide variety of data signals including weather facsimile)
138-144 MHz Land Mobile Service Military/Aircraft (NFM/AM)
144-148 MHz Amateur Radio 2 meter band (CW/SSB/Digital modes/NFM)
148-150.8 MHz Land Mobile Service Military/Aircraft (NFM/AM)
150.8-162 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety/Private (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
162-174 MHz Land Mobile Service Government (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
174-216 MHz Television Broadcast Channels 7-13 (WFM audio/AM video/HDTV digital)
216-220 MHz Mixed services: Space radar/Marine/Transportation/Telemetry/Amateur radio (219-220 MHz only)/Personal radio service (Mixed modes)
220-222 MHz Land Mobile Service (Mixed modes)
222-225 MHz Amateur Radio 1.25 meter band (CW/SSB/Digital modes/NFM)
225-380 MHz Military UHF Aircraft band (AM/FM and digital modes on satellite downlinks)
380-400 MHz Military UHF Aircraft/Land Mobile Service (AM/NFM/Trunk control channels)
400-406 MHz Satellite band (Mixed modes, no voice)
406-420 MHz Land Mobile Service Government (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
420-450 MHz Amateur Radio 70 cm band (CW/SSB/Digital modes/NFM)
450-512 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety/Private (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
470-512 MHz Television Broadcast Channels 14-20 (WFM audio/AM video/HDTV digital)
512-806 MHz Television Broadcast Channels 21-69 (WFM audio/AM video/HDTV digital) [Note: Channels 60-69 are being replaced to make way for the new 700 MHz public safety/wireless communications band]
746-764 MHz Miscellaneous Wireless Communications Services (Proprietary data signals)
764-776 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
776-794 MHz Miscellaneous Wireless Communications Services (Proprietary data signals)
794-806 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
806-821 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety/Private repeater inputs (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
821-824 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety repeater inputs (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
824-849 MHz Cellular Telephone Service repeater inputs [Note: This frequency range is blocked in scanner by federal law ](Proprietary digital modes some analog NFM)
849-851 MHz Aeronautical Mobile uplink (NFM)
851-866 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety/Private repeater outputs (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
866-869 MHz Land Mobile Service Public Safety repeater outputs (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
869-894 MHz Cellular Telephone Service repeater inputs [Note: This frequency range is blocked in scanner by federal law ](Proprietary digital modes some analog NFM)
894-896 MHz Aeronautical Mobile downlink (NFM)
896-901 MHz Land Mobile Service Private repeater inputs (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
901-902 MHz Personal Communications Services narrowband (Proprietary data signals)
902-928 MHz "Kitchen Sink" band: Variety of applications and modes.
928-929 MHz Fixed Point to Point Services (Proprietary data signals)
929-930 MHz Private Carrier Paging (Proprietary data signals)
930-931 MHz Personal Communications Service narrowband (Proprietary data signals)
931-932 MHz Commercial Mobile Radio Service Paging (Proprietary data signals)
932-935 MHz Fixed Microwave Services (Proprietary data signals)
935-940 MHz Land Mobile Service Private repeater inputs (NFM/APCO digital/Proprietary data signals/Trunk control channels)
940-941 MHz Personal Communications Service narrowband (Proprietary data signals)
941-944 MHz Fixed Microwave Services (Proprietary data signals)
944-952 MHz Broadcast Auxiliary Service (NFM/Proprietary data signals)
952-956 MHz Fixed Microwave Services (Proprietary data signals)
1240-1300 MHz Amateur Radio 25 cm band (CW/SSB/Digital modes/NFM)
 
 
    Above this point is a real hodge-podge of stuff most all above this point is non-voice digital etc. Above 1000 MHz there are no analog voice signals except in major metro areas that have 1240 MHz amateur radio activity. 
    You can find more detailed information on the 2002 Monitoring Times Anthology CD-ROM and my nine part series on "Who's Who in the Radio Spectrum" which will give you a more detailed overview of the entire radio spectrum.
 
Regards 
Larry Van Horn, N5FPW

Q.    I have an interesting question regarding the use of an old DirecPC dish. Can it be used for receiving satellite signals, either audio or video, and what other equipment would be needed? I have an old DPC dish on my roof (thanks to a cable modem!) and am trying to find a use for it. B. Vallone Racine, WI.

A.    I'm afraid there's little you can do with it. The device is specifically for receiving a service that is no longer in its receiving bandpass, and its internal components are strictly for that digital service, so it can't be used as-is for any other service. The dish and feed horn could be used for any other service in the suitable microwave frequency range (12 GHz and up), but not the receiver circuitry without considerable modification. I'll forward this to Larry Van Horn who
is more on the cutting edge of satellite reception to see if he can add anything.

Q.    My cell phone is several years old, and as I'm searching for a replacement, I can't find any reviews or even any mention as to how well they actually work!  Only lists of bells and whistles and how pretty someone thinks they are. Since a cell phone is essentially a transceiver,  has there ever been any interest at MT in reviewing such devices from an radio point of view? Does every cell phone really transmit and receive with the same efficiency as every other?  If MT had a once-or-twice-a-year issue with such reviews, it might broaden your reader base? (Maybe this is an old idea to you, but it was a new one to me) anyway,
T. Harris

A.    Yes, since there are just a few prime chip makers, most cell phones made now are peas in a pod with a few variances such as accessory ports (data, antenna, etc.) and functions. Choose one based upon what you need it to do, not whether or not you think this inside electronics are better in one than another.

 

Q.    I am replacing a vintage VW bug.  Down through the years I have been very spoiled because this vehicle allowed me, to install a variety of mobile telephones,  scanners, CB and amateur transceivers and still have legroom for driver and front seat passenger. I know that room for communication equipment is a problem for public safety agencies the world over, but then they just buy bigger vehicles in which to install the gear that they need. Most of the vehicles that I have recently reviewed all seem to have a center console and provide little room for equipment installation. The Ford Ranger and the Toyota Hybrid are two exceptions that I have found and I know there must be more. 
         Bob, have you seen any survey for the current automotive market that focuses on floor and dash free areas? I am sure that I am not the first communication buff that has faced this problem.  This might turn into an annual MT feature.  "Bob Grove's Top Radio Friendly Automobiles of 2003" or the like. Any ideas?  G. Currivan

A.    Yes, the idea of compact consoles has really caught up with the automotive market; I have a Ford Explorer, and finding a spot for radios in there is a problem, too. I hate to drill holes in the dash, but that's about the only think left. Some folks make instrument clusters and put them in a box between the passenger and driver seats, and some mount them overhead, but it's a problem. No, I'm sure no one has done a study of vehicles to see what's available on the current market that's radio friendly! I'll send this on to our editor, Rachel Baughn, in case she's interested in suggesting the topic to one of our writers.

Q.    I need some advice. I am looking for an excellent portable scanner for fire  purposes. I will be scanning 46 MHz as well as 154 and UHF fire channels. What would you recommend. Money isn't the issue-hearing LOW band is!!  Billy

A.    All scanners have virtually identical sensitivity now days. The problem with the 46 MHz low band reception in scanners is the small, non-resonant antenna that comes with the radios. There are several considerations: 

(1) Plan on using a good, multiband, rooftop antenna for your reception. This would be the ANT-7 ScanTenna (nothing beats it) for a rooftop mount.

(2) For the car, you need something better than the conventional small whip. I'd recommend the AOR MA-500 mag-mount whip for mobile applications; it is our catalog #ANT-12. 

(3) So far as a whip to put on your hand-held to replace the original, I'd recommend the ANT-19 Austin Condor; that's our leading replacement rubber duckie for folks who want a better whip than what came with their radios. But it won't work nearly as well as the other two above.


Q.     I purchased a BC780 from you recently.  I paid you $349.95 plus shipping.  In several magazines including your Monitoring Times I have seen it advertised for less.  What is your policy for price  protection?  Should I expect you to match the lower price.  I saw it at  this lower price within a few day of the purchase. G. Warren

A.    No matter when and where you buy any product, you will find it selling, sooner or later, lower somewhere else. A company bases its resale price on many factors, including shipping charges and after-market support. We have many "bargain basement" competitors who are not full-time, respected dealers. They place ads, take orders, and when enough orders are on hand for them to make a purchase so they can take a discount, they finally order the products for their customers. These and other predatory-pricing dealers often have no after-market support, and if a customer is dissatisfied, they charge a substantial restocking fee. We have been in business for a quarter century, with our customers
returning because of trust and satisfaction with our service. We hope you will join that growing group. You do, of course, have the option of returning any Grove product within 15 days for a full refund less shipping, assuming the product and its packaging are in as-new condition.

A.M. Reception

 Q.   What would be a good radio for A.M. reception? R. Morey

 A.   The GE Super Radio is an excellent choice, but you may also need an accessory antenna, the Super Radio allows you attach an external antenna like a long wire or dipole via coaxial cable, but you can also get a Select-A-Tenna http://www.grove-ent.com/ANT21.html which gives enormous signal improvement just setting alongside your radio. It is a 12" loop antenna which can be frequency-adjusted for optimum reception on the station of your choice, then "focuses" that signal on the radio's internal ferrite-loop antenna without physical connection. If desired, you can also remote-locate the Select-A-Tenna and connect it to the Super Radio by coax cable.

Frequency Range

Q.    If there's nothing to hear above 960 MHz, why do so many newer scanners and wide-coverage receivers go up to 2000 MHz and higher?

A.    It's true that in our entire history, I don't remember a single logging being reported above 960 MHz. At those frequencies range is very limited, almost all communications are by data and voices have been digitized. There is a ham band near 1300 MHz that has clear speech and may be heard in large cities; the declining 1500 MHz INMARSAT downlinks still have some clear speech; the GOES weather satellite sends imaging at 1690 MHz; and some backbone repeater links for federal government agencies around 1700 MHz ("L Band") may still have some use (although we've never heard of any. 
      With such limited practicality, why are these ranges included on scanners? Marketing. If you see two scanners side by side of virtually identical performance, and one goes higher in frequency, which one would you buy? From a practical standpoint, if manufacturers would limit their upper frequency range to 960 MHz and improve selectivity and dynamic range, performance would improve and prices should drop.

Antennas

There are several factors that weigh in so far as the distance an antenna can hear, including:  

Height of the antenna; Presence of obstructions; Length and losses of the transmission line; Gain of the antenna; Direction in which a gain antenna is pointing; Frequency of the signal; Sensitivity of the receiver; Presence of interference Power of the transmitted signal; Bandwidth of the signal Solar effects (day/night, sunspots, flares); Weather and humidity; Electrical storm presence.  

That said, under normal circumstances, and using the non-directional AX12B with good coax, good locations and a good receiver, the following could be expected: (1) HF reception (under 30 MHz): Thousands of miles for broadcasters, two-way communicators. (2) VHF (30-300 MHz): Up to 100 miles for broadcasters and two-way communications. (3) UHF (300-500 MHz): Up to 75 miles. (4) Microwave (800-2000 MHz): 25-50 miles.  

Naturally, these are only approximations due to the numbers of variables pointed out above, but should give you an average expectation. Naturally, if you're looking for a simple, low-power device like a bug or cell phone, we're talking feet, not miles.  

RG-6/U is outdoor video cable, rated at 72 ohm impedance. It is intended for weak-signal reception (although it will easily take over 100 watts of RF for transmitting) and is much smaller than RG-8/U. However, it is 100% shielded and utilizes low-loss dielectric insulation, and it's intended for frequencies up through UHF. RG-8/U is made for 50 ohm systems, primarily for transmitting (that's why it has a larger center conductor) and is copper-braided shield. If you get the foam-dielectric, it has low loss, whereas the older, polyethylene insulation can be lossy. It is considerably more expensive than the RG-6/U, and connectors are more expensive, too. The actual line-loss characteristics of the RG-6/U and the RG-8/U are virtually identical. While the impedance is nearly 50% higher in the RG-6/U, the actual signal loss due to this mismatch is inconsequential. The smaller-diameter RG8/X or RG-8/M (smaller diameter than RG-8/U) works quite well. The reason Grove Enterprises recommends RG-6/U over RG-8/U in all our VHF/UHF scanner applications is that it is less expensive, smaller diameter, less rigid, no more lossy, and offers cheaper connectors and adaptors than the RG-8/U.  

 

Antenna impedances are often nominal; that is to say, for an absolutely perfect match of the antenna system, feedline and receiver input, they should all be the same. However, the mismatch at shortwave for reception is not all that important. The net result of a badly mismatched shortwave receiving system would only be a slight reduction in signal and noise, so with the highly-sensitive receivers on today's market and the size of the antennas, the net result is a mere lowering of the signal strength meter reading because both the signal and noise will be proportionately reduced. Thus, you still hear the same amount of signal above the noise.
Hi, Kirk: Welcome back to the shortwave hobby! 
 
Q.  I thought I would begin with a better antenna. As mentioned I am located in a high-rise condo (15th floor), with lots of floor to ceiling glass but no balcony. Given the location, my options are pretty limited to either an active antenna or an indoor long wire type.  For active antennas, I am considering the LF Engineering H800 or H900 or possibly the MFJ-1020C. For long wire types, I have in mind the Grove Flex-Tenna
HVU, the Grove Skywire or the PAR End Fedz, with perhaps a Pre-selector like the MFJ-1045C. What about the H-800 with a Pre-selector? As for a new receiver, I am considering the ICOM-R75 or the ICOM IC-R1500
 
A. Both the Grove Skywire and PAR EndFedz are very good wire antennas; however, any indoor antenna suffers from two perspectives: nearby metal surfaces which reflect and absorb signals, and household electrical accessories and appliances which raise havoc with shortwave reception. You don't need a preselector for a good receiver like the R-75. It may come in handy with the R1500 which doesn't have quite as good signal-overload immunity, and for the little portables which you currently own. Do you find that shortwave reception on your portable improves near the glass window? Without actually seeing your location, I'd consider the R-75 (a marvelous receiver) and an H-800 (terrific active antenna) right against that window. For VHF/UHF scanning, use a dedicated scanner and one of our matching antennas like the ScanTenna (best choice) or the Grove VU Flextenna (not as good, but good) against the window.   Keep in mind that the wider the frequency range and the lower the price, the worse the performance. What suffers most is vulnerability to signal overload--intermodulation, which displays itself as multiple, phantom signals from the same signal-frequency station, but heard at various parts of the spectrum. 

Q. The dB gain for the Super Select-A-Tenna (ANT40) is stated in your 2006-2007 catalog to be "up to 40 dB" and the gain for the Select-A-Tenna Medium Loop Antenna Booster (ANT21) is "up to 30 dB.  What is the gain of the original Select-A-Tenna - the one without the 3.5 mm jack?

A. Since the original Select-A-Tenna is a passive device with no reference (like dBi or dBd), it has no gain figures. It must be compared to the loop antenna in the radio near which the Select-A-Tenna is being placed, and those loops are not standard enough to provide a reference point.
The variables are considerable: Size of the radio's loop, separation between the two loops, position of the Select-A-Tenna next to the radio are just a few. As an artificial guess, I'd say that the passive original provides at least 20 dB signal improvement over the loop in the radio, and the amplified units add their stated gain to that.

Q. I've been using an H-800 active antenna for a few days now that I bought from you folks, and I have a question. The antenna works exactly as well when  I turn off the little box and connect only the center conductor to my radio. (With the box off and the connector normally connected, the radio gets no signal, as I'd expect.) I can't figure out why this should be the case, and I wonder if I'm doing something wrong. The radio is an Icom R75.

A.
With only the center pin connected to your receiver's antenna jack, the entire coax line is acting like a random-wire antenna. You would get the same response if you connected just the outer ring (shield) to the center post of the receiver. However, that random-wire antenna passes nearby accessories and AC lines, inviting electrical noise.

Q. I have carefully considered your antennas, along with some other items, and it seems to me that -- in comparison with other outlets of the same or very similar equipment -- your merchandise is exceedingly highly priced.  Taking just one item, the AOR LA-380 at $369.95 is priced far above antennas of other name brands, and while I have had no chance to make a comparative study of efficacy, I daresay that in the neighborhood of almost of five to ten times the cost, I am left in doubt as to the value.  Sincerely,  J Victery

A. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about our pricing; such input is always appreciated. Here's the scoop: We typically have a profit margin, when we buy in quantity, of 10-15%. As shockingly low as that is, it's a fact of life in this business. From that small profit margin, we must maintain a physical facility, highly-trained staff, and a marketing mechanism. The AOR unit is unusually well constructed--very professional and sturdy; thus, it costs us much more than competitive units. Does it work better on its frequency range than other, less costly units? Yes, considering its wide frequency coverage and sharp tuning response on the shortwave frequencies.  But your message is much broader, stating that "(our) merchandise is exceedingly high priced." Some basement operators with other daytime jobs do advertise equipment on the Internet (as well as in small ads in print) just above their cost, hoping to get quantity orders before ordering, and without providing qualified customer service. Obviously, ordering from these companies is a crap shoot. Grove Enterprises has been in this business since 1978, serving a large stable of repeat consumer customers as well as government and military agencies who depend upon our integrity, expertise and customer support. And this personal reply is just one example. I hope this gives you some insight into the pricing.

Q.    In December of last year (2005) we exchanged a few emails regarding shortwave antennas. The best alternative you recommended me at that time was the H-900 Gain Probe ANT27 which is priced at U.S. Dollars 189.00. However, you also recommended the H-800 Sky-Match ANT15 saying that the H900 had additional gain for weak signal reception, and increased  dynamic range to withstand  strong-signal overload, etc, which would explain the price difference with the H-800. At that time, I explained that what I needed was a more " professional " type antenna with high gain, to be able to target the HF SSB air traffic (and maritime) in the North Atlantic, North and South Pacific, Europe, etc, from Santiago (Chile) where I am located and where HF signals are extremely weak around my dwelling. What I would like to know is if the H-800 also has " sufficient "  gain (obviously not as much as the H-900) to "bring in" the long-distance weak HF signals from the Northern Hemisphere to a listenable level. I appreciate that my question is not an easy one for you to answer due to the many factors that affect shortwave reception, but I would still wish to know your opinion as to whether the H-800 would (or would not) be suitable for reception of weak HF signals from the above areas of the world. I would remind you that my rig is an ICOM IC-R75 communications receiver.  I. Moir

A.    There is no question that the H-800 is a perfectly suitable antenna for the vast majority of shortwave requirements. The limiting factor at those frequencies is atmospheric noise, so once you bring the signal level up above the atmospheric noise, you've got it and can receive it. The H-800 does this. The main advantage of the H-900 is its slightly better immunity to overload and attendant intermod problems. All amplifiers (including amplified antenna systems) have a breaking point above which strong signals generate spurious responses. While the H-900 also has slightly higher gain than the H-800, all this means is that it amplifies the atmospheric noise right along with the signal. The S meter may read a little higher with the H-900, but you won't hear signals any better; they will still be the same level above the noise

Q. I bought a LF engineering H-900 active antenna from you several weeks ago. It is installed on a balcony at about 20 feet off the ground. It works fine on the broadcast bands, but have never heard anything on the amateur or shortwave bands. Even WWV at 10Mhz is weak. Is the antenna bad or am I expecting too much.  Thanks. Doug

 

A. The H900 is a superior active antenna and capable of performance at least equal to a 100 foot wire dipole, so if you're not hearing anything at shortwave, something is amiss. We occasionally get inquiries like this, and it almost always turns out to be an oversight in the installation. Sure it could be a rare defect, but take a look at these suggestions first:
(1) Measure the voltage at the antenna jack where the probe cable plugs in and make sure the voltage and the polarity are correct;
(2) If you are using adaptors, make sure they are correctly installed and making physical contact along the path.
(3) With an ohmmeter, be sure there are no shorts and that there is continuity in the cables. I live in South East Michigan about 40 miles west of Detroit, in fairly open country with no antenna restrictions other than me not risking my neck. I'm running a Grove Sky Wire about 20 feet off the ground in a straight, N-S direction, fed through about 100 feet of RG-58/U and a Grove TUN 4 inside my basement. I know that SW signals are directional and I want to receive short wave stations from around the globe. Sometimes reception is not at it's best.

A. Currently, reception is spotty since we have just passed the low ebb of the sunspot cycle. If all of your receivers experience the same poor reception, it has to be either the signal propagation or your antenna system. First I'd recommend you carefully inspect the entire antenna system--solder joints, coax connectors and adaptors, the coax itself (dogs and squirrels eat mine!). You might try measuring the resistance to the antenna this way: Disconnect the connector from your receiver and put an ohmmeter (high ohms) across the shell and center pin; you should see no reading (maybe very high resistance--many thousands of ohms--which would be OK, but could indicate moisture intrusion).  Next, clip a wired pair of alligators across the antenna center connector and make the same measurement as before at the receiver connector, but this time on low ohms. You should see the dead short--no more than a few ohms.

Q. Would you recommend re-orienting my current antenna, installing two Sky Wires, one N-S and one E-W, or running a newer antenna, such as the PAR 'End Fedz', your stock # ANT08? If so, what should be the orientation, or does it matter?

A. The PAR antenna is excellent, albeit more expensive than the Skywire which is a fine antenna. Whichever you choose, you could put it up at right angles to the first antenna (they can even cross without mutual interference). You could then use an antenna switch like the ones we carry to select the best antenna for a particular angle of arrival, or simply unscrew one antenna cable and attach the other. Even easier, you could erect a vertical antenna hung from a tree limb like our very popular FlexTenna model HVU; that's what I use, and it doesn't have to be rotated!

Q. I have a Scantenna on my roof supplied with 125 feet of Belden 9913 RG8/U coax but I would like to add a second antenna to boost my reception and thought that your Grove Omni-II VHF-UHF Receiving Antenna would be a good choice. I know there would only be a 3dB gain at most but if it does not work well enough I could always reverse the splitter and switch between the two antennas.  Does this sound like a good idea?  If not is there a better antenna to try or use for this?

A.  It's true that the best you would get would be 3 dB improvement on some frequencies, but there are really two problems here: (1) Since the Scantenna is a better antenna than the OMNI, there would rarely be even that much improvement, and (2) the signal degradation in other directions would mean you should rotate the array. So: I'd recommend a beam antenna, especially if most of the traffic is from one general direction--either the Scanner Beam or the Create. Both would provide better reception. But first, before you do anything else, I'd recommend you try a preamplifier to overcome the losses in the long transmission line. Although it would be best to put it up at the antenna, even mounted at the scanner end would be an improvement. If not, you can always send it back within 15 days as new for a refund except shipping.

Q. I live in central Florida near the gulf where reception of he AM band is terrible. I use a Kenwood R-2000 and a Sangean "Super 909 Radio" I have also the big Super GE Portable and other portables, including 400 PE Yacht boy.  I use a long wire antenna, about 150 feet long, with a   coax cable lead.  I have a lot of electrical interference in our house  when I tried an inside antenna amplifier, but the outside antenna is  relatively interference free. I considered buying the Icom R-75 from  your organization until I read the sleep time, beeps before the radio turns off, a very bad option for people like me who like to listen to the radio while going to sleep.  Question: 1. What is the best radio, old or new, for AM dxing? (preferably under $600)  2. Is there anything else I could do to improve my outside antenna, other than making it longer?  Sincerely,  J. Rakes

A. I was going to recommend the R75, but if the beep is intolerable and undefeatable (I don't know), then I guess you can try something else. The problem with other radios is, of course, they generally have a permanent attenuator in the MW band. To avoid interference, and outside antenna is mandatory. However, 150 feet is hardly necessary with today's sensitive receivers; I'd say that 25-65 feet would be plenty. I use the 24-foot Grove HVU Flex-Tenna hanging from a tree limb and get terrific reception. You could do the same with a simple wire hanging down, connected to the center conductor of the coax with the shield left unconnected at the antenna (but connected, of course, to the receiver). I recommend vertical because AM broadcast signals are often vertically polarized because of car antennas, and they are omni-directional as well, allowing reception 360 degrees.

Q. Is there such a thing as an outdoor spray paint type that would work on aluminum antenna elements (i.e. the Scantenna), without attenuating the signal? If so, would the same paint spec apply to transmitting antennas as receiving?
i.e. outdoor micro-FM antennas. Many thanks, K. Geurs

A. It's the pigment that causes the problem; unless you know it's a non-conductive material, you're better off with a clear acrylic.

Q. I live in SW Florida (Gulf side) and need your suggestions for an antenna for my ICOM R75 and Uniden 898t.  I did my home work on both units and now am working on the right antenna.  I live in a condo (first floor) which is made of stucco and concrete (hurricane safe) with a screened lanai.  I can mount antennas on the lanai (L15XW8XH12) and can "sneak" mount a wire antenna outside of the lanai, however, I would like to avoid doing this since we are lightning capital of the world.  I mainly listen to both units at night (9MEST to 1AM). ICOM:  I've been using a Slinky antenna (mounted inside) for the past month with ok results (I have nothing to compare it to).   I thought about hanging it outside on the lanai and run Heliax coax with a balun to the bedroom.

 I have considered a long wire on the lanai with a balun (ADP35) and Heliax feed line, the Par ANT08, and other antennas.  I read somewhere that you can take a long wire (75 ft for example) and run it along the outer edges of  the bedroom or lanai ceiling (outer diameter of the ceiling) as a big loop.  Uniden:  I have the stock whip antenna with ok results.  I clipped the slinky antenna and did not notice much improvement.  I considered a discone mounted on the lanai, yagi, and others found at various websites. AM/FM:  I use a C Crane Reflect Antenna mounted on the lanai for FM and a large (21X17) loop antenna for AM (Ultimate Am Antenna created by Carver and sold on Ebay by Jeff as a kit).  Both provide excellent results. Selecting an antenna seems to be more involved than selecting a receiver.  Any suggestion will be appreciated for the ICOM and Uniden.    Jim

A. Yes, antenna choice is very important. For shortwave (the ICOM) try to get 20-40 feet outside the building as far from the building as possible, high as practical, and away from electrical lines. Be sure to feed it with coaxial cable (any kind except RG-174/U); the heliax is a waste of money at shortwave. If cost is not a strong consideration, but size of the antenna is, then get the Skymatch H800 from the Grove catalog; it's terrific for shortwave reception;  http://www.grove-ent.com/ANT15.html  For the scanner, our OMNI-II is great for overall local reception, is unobtrusive outdoors, and will outperform the whip you're using; feed it with inexpensive RG-6/U as the ad suggests:  http://www.grove-ent.com/ANT5.html

Q. This is Ken Harland with Sea Tow Sebastian.  I have two of your scanner beam antennas that I use solely for marine vhf communications.  I would like to know if these antennas can be optimized for 150-160MHz.  My station license allows for 50 watt transmission capabilities but I prefer to use a standard marine radio that is 25 watts because it has a wireless mic along with other helpful features.  I've looked at various amps and can't seem to find a reasonable or cost effective solution to increase my signal strength, consequently have been looking at higher gain antennas and see that other directional models with higher gain simply have less elements than the Grove Scanner.  I realize their spacing and size is critical, but also understand that the Grove Scanner is a wide band antenna, thus could probably be simplified and optimized at the same time.  Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated. regards, Ken

A. Since I'm the original designer of the Scanner Beam, I've had a lot of experience experimenting with it. For the 160 MHz marine radio band, you can first saw off the longest (rearmost) element since it's for low band.  Next, you can also saw off the smallest forward elements since they are for 800 MHz UHF. The main problem is the balun transformer which may or may not be good enough for handling 25 or so watts of transmit power; that balun is simply a TV receiving unit. I'm going to go to the basement workshop and try an experiment to see how much power it will take before saturating--and maybe cooking--the little toroid transformer in the balun.

Q. I've got an interest in one of your WINRADIO receiver cards (probably the WR-3150) but let me tell you what I'm trying to do and ask for your help. I'm outfitting a 43' sailboat for indefinite blue water cruising (private use only - no government association). Among all the other goodies and widgets I'm putting aboard (w/ luck, there'll even be a little room for food) I'd love to have DF gear so I have the option of electronic navigation as well as visual, GPS etc, for all those really remote islands that might only have an AM radio station and an airfield beacon.  So, I'm looking at a receiver frequency range of 500K to say 300M to cover just about any transmitter I might reasonably expect to encounter. I'm going to be running a very capable windows computer w/ XP and I'd prefer to have the DF capability integrated into it rather than a stand-alone machine. It appears the 3150 would have the freq range I'd want, but my problem will be the antenna if I want to DF as well as "just" receive.  There will be a gimbaled radar platform 1/2 way up the mast where something could be mounted hanging down.  There are stainless "long wires" (that hold up the mast) bow, stern and sides w/ the stern doubling as the SSB HF antenna. Along the sides of the deck, there are stainless lifeline stations about 30" tall that could be electrically isolated and possibly tied into some kind of antenna configuration. Well, that's the big picture - any creative ideas? Appreciate the help, L Winkler  

A. The main problem you are encountering is not the availability of systems that will do the job, but that there are different types of RDF antennas for different parts of the spectrum. For example, while a loop can be used successfully at low frequencies (not much higher than the AM broadcast band for dependability), An Adcock array is best at HF (up to about 30 MHz), and a pseudo-Doppler array at VHF/UHF. Thus, you could conceivably use the same receiver, but you'd have to be switching arrays. There are some low-cost receivers for marine use that cover the 200-400 kHz beacon band and AM broadcast band; these have the ferrite-rod antenna already mounted on top of the receivers; they work reasonably well for dead-heading. HF is a bit more difficult, since an Adcock is quite large (mine, for 7-30 MHz, is 5' wide with two 8' vertical elements, one on each end of the boom) and it has to be rotated. You can rotate it electronically with a goniometer, but such systems are hard to find. At VHF, you can use most any Doppler RDF which electronically rotates the antenna; I've used the Ramsey DDF-1 with great success, but it's limited to about a 2:1 frequency range. There are more exotic systems available that do everything but the wash and cook dinner, but they get into the bucks! For example, see our WiNRADiO WD3000 which uses that SR3150 receiver.

Q. I thought RG6-U coax was not as good nor compatible to use as antenna cable for scanners.  Is it also a good choice for transmitters in the 158.00MHz range? Thank you, Jim

A. This common misconception originated in the early days of scanner listening. Many misguided folks use long lengths of lossy RG-58/U coax for scanner reception (and VHF transmission) just because it has a 50 ohm impedance, convinced that coax of any other impedance simply won't work. The fact is that while a proper impedance match is desirable to avoid resistive losses through the inner dielectric (insulation) from high voltages which develop during a mismatch, very few antenna systems exactly match 50 ohms anyway, especially over wide frequency excursions. Although RG-6/U is 70 ohms, not 50 ohms, its low-loss characters tics more than make up for any theoretical impedance mismatch. If you substitute 100 feet of RG-6/U for RG-58/U in scanner monitoring above 30 MHz, I can guarantee you better reception, and the higher in frequency, the more the improvement. I use RG-6/U exclusively for my VHF/UHF monitoring, and use RG-58/U only for shortwave where its losses are not that severe.  Coaxial cable, by its very construction, is virtually immune to outside electrical interference. The best shielded coax is always the better choice, and RG-6/U is very well shielded. It also has less loss in its dielectric (inner insulation) than competitive cable types. So that's the long answer which could have been shorter--"Yes!" Coax can be run underground, through water, alongside power cables, near satellite dishes and other electronics equipment without picking up interference. Try to keep it as short as possible, however, to avoid resistive losses from the longer lengths.

Q. I installed it so that it runs east-west. I would like to improve its range and am wondering if I should purchase another PAR antenna and run it north-south. A. Yes; it is presently rejecting signals from east and west since those are off the ends. A second antenna at a right angle to the first will solve that. Q. If it would work, can I connect the 2 antennas together so that there is just a single connection to my radio? (My radio is a Grundig Satellit 800 that was purchased from you several years ago as a holiday gift for me.) A. No; it's likely that the phasing of the arrival of the signal on two antennas at two different times due to their separation could cause destructive interference on some frequencies. But you can certainly try it first and carefully tune around, comparing signal strengths with and without the tie. Q. Would having the 2 antennas cause signal overload? A. No more than one would, even if they are connected together. Q. Do you have a suggestion for a better/alternate method for increasing reception? A.. Mounting it vertically would give omni directional response. Q. Finally, as expected, I do get a lot of background static/noise on some stations. Is there something you recommend to boost the signal and reduce this noise? A. Nope, not without a beam which restricts noise from anywhere but the narrow path at the front.

Q.    I just purchased a dual band Kenwood TM-733A VHF/UHF mobile that is capable of transmitting in the business bands as well. I am studying to get my HAM license but am authorized to transmit in the emergency service bands as I  am a 9-1-1 employee in Iredell Co. NC. I was looking at the SUPER STEALTH MOBILE ANTENNA and was wondering if this would work for dual band transmission in the frequency ranges of 150-170 MHz and 450-470 MHz? Also this particular radio has a PL-259 connector for VHF and a separate PL-259 connector for UHF. I am looking for a dual band splitter adapter to connect out to both of these connectors and in from one single dual band  antenna. Do you offer this? Thanks  M. Pruitt

A.    Yes, I've used my Stealth mobile antenna for that very purpose with my FT-100 transceiver. Since the FT-100 also has dual PL-259s on it, I simply used adaptors and a Tee connector to combine the two into into one coax line. Good luck on the ham test


Q.    According to your advertisement, the Scantenna is omni-directional (non-directional): http://www.grove-ent.com/ANT7.html  . However, when I mounted it on a mast pipe, I found that when I turned it in different directions, some signal levels changed. How can this be?

A.    The antenna is omni-directional--there's no false advertising about that. However, anytime you place an antenna alongside a metal mast, or even its own cable, there is some reflectivity that occurs. If you were to put the antenna on a wooden or plastic/PVC mast, and run the coax at right angles to it, you would see a substantial difference in its non-directional pattern. Antennas are called directional or omni-directional (non-directional) based upon the antenna alone, un-mounted. For example, discones and ground planes are non-directional because they are mounted at the top of, not alongside, the metal mast pipe. However, if you put one of those non-directional antennas alongside a metal mast pipe, you would find the same directivity as you have with the ScanTenna.

 

Q: Will the WinRadio AX-37 work for television reception, or should I keep using my rabbit ears?

A: While rabbit ears work just fine for strong, local signals, they provide no "gain;" this is accessible only with multiple elements in parallel (a beam). However, such a small antenna as the WiNRADiO AX-37 is only usable above 200 MHz or so; that is, only the upper VHF and the UHF TV channels; you'd not get good reception on channels 2-10 or so. For those, the rabbit ears would work just fine for local signals. Keep in mind, however, that NO indoor antenna will work as well as an outdoor antenna.

 

Q. Hello, I spoke with you yesterday by phone about the AX-71C antenna I purchased early this week. I'd like to mount the antenna but, before I do I'd like to ask a question. I don't think it working correctly so, I did a continuity check from the cable end to the antenna and all the lower elements check but the upper elements do not. Is this normal or should I reassemble?  Thank you,  M. Ellison

A.
In all Discone antennas, the top "disc" elements are attached to the coax center conductor, and the lower drooping radials are connected to the shield. Thus, with an ohmmeter, you should show a short between the top elements and the center conductor of the coax, and another short between the lower radials and the coax shield. There should be an "open" between the shield and the center conductor.

 

Q. Do you have to have all the antennas screwed into the Discone for it to work on 154-155 MHz? is no, you don't.

A. You can eliminate the top vertical which is the low-band resonator (40-50 MHz range).
However, if you have only one short disk radial (the upper spokes) and one longer sloping radio beneath it (the bottom elements), it may exhibit some unpredictable directivity and a poor impedance match. I'd use all of the disc elements and sloping radials. If you can't, then put in at least four pairs (upper and lower) evenly spaced (every 90 degrees).  

 

The little plug-in antennas that come with desktop scanners are simple whips that work best in the 150-960 MHz range, but they are too short to work well on lower frequencies. Let's review some simple theory.

            Virtually all antennas are fed at or near their electrical center. Even base-fed verticals use something to emulate the lower "half" of the antenna, often ground radials if earth-mounted, or metal ("ground plane") radials if elevated.

            For mobile mount, the car body becomes the missing portion of the center-fed antenna, and even on a hand-held radio, your body is capacitively-coupled to the radio to substitute (usually poorly) for the missing lower element. A desktop scanner with a plug-in antenna uses the mass of the chassis metal as the missing portion. Now to your more specific question.

            Any length of metal has a specific frequency to which it is "resonant;" that is, it has a feed impedance which matches that of the feedline, typically 50-70 ohms. If you make it longer, its feedpoint impedance rises; if made shorter, that impedance lowers.

            It's a cyclical phenomenon -- once the antenna length doubles the original resonant length, the impedance is several thousand ohms, quite a mismatch to your 50-70 ohm coax! Standing voltage waves (high SWR) may dissipate the useable signal as heat rather than deliver it to and from the radio receiver or transmitter.

            But as the length increases further, approaching three times the resonant length for that frequency, the impedance lowers again toward 50-70 ohms. That's why center-fed antennas are often used on their odd harmonics.

            For example, a 50 MHz (six meter amateur) antenna will work well at 150 MHz (the third harmonic), but a 150 (or in your case, 144 MHz) antenna won't work as well at 1/3 its frequency range (50 MHz), and its reduced length also means less signal-voltage capture.

 

An antenna designed for hamming on a particular frequency will work great for reception only; after all, it was designed to transmit AND receive on that frequency!

 

The Skywire does not have a matching transformer because it is intended for receiving, but for transmitting it will have an impedance mismatch which is easily corrected by the insertion of a transmatch (antenna tuner) between the transceiver and the coax.   If the antenna is only 15 feet off the ground, considerable upward reflection from the ground will occur, and the returning reflected wave ("skip") will be fairly close, limiting the long distance reception a bit. At HF, getting a horizontal up at least 30-40 feet is important to optimize distant communications. This doesn't mean it won't hear things, or even transmit to distant locations, only that it will work better higher.

Q. For scanner listening, I have a magnetic base mounted on top of a filing cabinet with the scanner's original rubber duckie antenna plugged into it, but signals are weaker. What could be wrong?  (Gary Kinsman, email)

 

A. Although the magnetic base, cable or connector could be defective, it's also possible that there is a directional effect or signal acquisition problem at the location. Try putting the duckie back on your scanner and placing the scanner on the filing cabinet. Are the signals stronger? If so, try the following tests with an ohmmeter:

With the antenna removed from the magnetic base, set the meter to low ohms and touch one prod to the shell of the BNC connector, the other to the BNC center pin; the meter should not move (infinite resistance). If you are using adaptors, keep them in place, too; mismatched connectors are often problematic. Next, touch one prod to the center pin of the male cable connector, and the other to the center hole of the BNC on the mount; it should show a short (perhaps an ohm or two). Repeat between the shell of the male connector and the shell of the connector on the magnet base. Both of these tests should confirm continuity of the shield and the center conductor from one end of the cable to the other.

            If it passes, repeat the tests while wiggling the connector and also the cable at the mount to see if there is a loose connection. You may need an extra pair of hands for this!

            Finally, check the center hole in the magnetic base to see if the leaves have somehow spread too far to touch the center pin of the antenna when it's inserted. The leaves can be easily pressed closer by pushing a pin behind each leaf and the insulation surrounding it.

Q. I'm currently using your Scantenna, but want to improve reception on 463 MHz from repeaters on the other side of a mountain range.  The Scantenna picks them up, but with a lot of hash. My questions are:
    Should I expect much improvement from the Beam? 
    Would I need any additional hardware to install it using the Scantenna's existing cable run? Many thanks, L. Masterman

A. There is only a small difference in gain between the Scantenna and the Scanner Beam; the Scanner Beam has better forward directivity, but I think the answer is probably yes, you should point the beam toward the desired signal and rotate it for best reception.

Q. I would like to mount my Grove Scanner Beam in my attic but it has a low ceiling.  Am I able to cut the longest elements at the back of the beam?  My main interest is 161 Mhz. Thanks for the help. Hank

A. Since that rearmost, longest element is primarily for low band (50 MHz), he can cut it off with virtually no change in performance at the higher frequencies.

Q. Equipment Icom 8500, Icom 7000, BC898T and BC780,  50 ohm low loss hard cable (100' to radio from antenna)  to a Stridsberg 4 way active splitter.  I sometimes use a Radio Shack 10 amp to boost the signal on UHF.  Scantenna antenna. My issue- During the hours of 4 p.m. to 9 a.m. I experience wonderful reception from around the New England area. Starting at approximately 9:30 in the morning until 4 p.m. the signal fades away significantly.  I have tried with and without amp, splitter on each radio.  I have lived in the same location for 18 years.  I have never experienced this issue before.  I live in a rural, mostly wooded area. The antenna is mast mounted to my home and is 495' above sea level.  A NOAA station, located in Vermont, probably 200+ miles from my location gives me a 5 to 6 on the Icom during the 4 to 9 time slot, but only 1 during the 10 to 4 time slot. I appreciate your feedback, Regards, C Augat
 

A. Try replacing the antenna and feedline with a temporary cable and antenna; don't worry about the quality of reception, just see whether you see the same sharp contrast in signal strengths during those time slots. If you don't there's something wrong with the antenna/cable system, possibly due to sunlight, condensation or loose connections.

 

Q. Hi, I live in area where no antennas can be put on the roof. It appeared to me that your omni 11 could be attached to the side of my house unnoticed.. I have an Icom  T90A and an old  standard #528 both handheld for transmitting. I just purchased a mirage amplifier that puts out 45 watts on vhf and 35 watts on uhf. From what I understand the balun that comes with the antenna can handle only 10 to 20 watts. Can I upgrade the balun and what wattage should I use? Will I still be able to transmit. Are the baluns easy to install? I am not very hip when it comes to electronics. The antenna will be arriving 3/23 and I would like to be prepared.
Thanks for your help, Jerry


A. Yes, you can probably use the OMNI II for transmitting with the balun provided, but only with the barefoot transceivers. If you go to the higher-powered amplifier, you might want to test it first by running the the transmitting setup on the ground so you can feel and smell the little balun. If it gets noticeably warm, most of you power is going into heating the coils.

I've been asked before where to find transmitting baluns for VHF and UHF, but so far I haven't found an answer. Most hams "roll their own."

Is there any way you could mount the Nil-Jon base antenna? It's not terribly conspicuous, and it's a good performer on VHF and UHF.

 

Q. I am not able to tell a big difference between the ScanTenna and the Scanner Beam when I switch antennas with the A-B switch. All these stations are the 50-65 mile range in the 450-470 MHz band. Since I am used to the difference between a CB ground plane and a beam antenna for comparison. I can only assume that the difference is the ScannerBeam being a wide-band antenna does not have the same amount of gain when compared to a narrow-band antenna like a Moon Raker or Wilson beam antenna. Would a 7 element Yagi 800 MHz antenna mounted above the Scanner Beam allow me to listen to trucking systems 35 miles north of me? The Scanner Beam is 35 feet above ground level. The Yagi beam could be mounted 5 feet above the ScannerBeam if it would pull in the 800 MHz signal. I have access to Belden R11 coax for the 800 MHZ beam if necessary. Your opinion or recommendation please.  John Cowan

A. Yes, the ScanTenna is excellent, and the Scanner Beam will only show slight improvements on some frequencies in its forward direction. What kind of coax are you using to it? Ours (RG-6/U)? That's good stuff. Yes, you might try that 800 MHz beam. You might try coupling it to the main coax from the scanner beam with a two-way splitter, or run it separately. Depending on the length of the line, the low-loss, foam dielectric RG-11/U may work better than the RG-6/U, but probably only in runs approaching 100 feet or so.

 

Q. I just purchased a Grove scanner beam. What kind of gain can I expect from my Scantenna to the beam? I have noticed that the Grove scanner beam is mounted with the aerials vertical. I seen Amateur antennas around here mounted with the aerials horizontal. What is the difference mounting them vertical as opposed to horizontal?   John Cowan

A. Most of the improvement you will notice between the Scanner Beam and the Scantenna will be at UHF since that's where the highest gain and directivity are. An antenna increases gain in one direction by redirecting it from other directions. Thus, you will probably notice that some formerly-weak signals will be much stronger in one direction, but some signals that are not in the favored direction will be weaker. That's why beam antennas are rotated toward their targets. Since virtually all mobile communications at VHF and UHF are using vertical antennas, that's why the base receiving antennas are vertical as well; this is especially important for line-of-sight communications. For DX (long distance) communications, the signals have become bent and reflected enough that the horizontal or vertical matching of the antennas is no longer as important; that's why you often see amateur beams with their elements in the horizontal directions, even if they are talking to mobile stations hundreds or even thousands of miles away that are using vertical whips.

 

Q. I am going to browse the 6 meter band -receive only, no transmitting. Because of the perpetual lightning hazards I have elected  hang an antenna in the attic. Could you tell me what kind of antenna loop, dipole, or what -is the best idea for an antenna in the attic, for receiving only? Thanks in advance. Pat

A. The location has no bearing on the type of antenna you choose. If you want omni directional performance, a vertical is mandatory. Since there's rarely enough headroom for a 9-foot vertical dipole, you will  probably opt for a ground plane. The vertical element should be about 4.5 feet long, and you should have three radials running out from the base, each of which is also 4.5 feet long.

 Try to keep the vertical element a good 5-6 feet away from large, parallel metal surfaces like heating and air ducts that would interact and absorb/reflect signals. Be sure the insulation in the walls isn't metallized mylar and you don't have sheet-metal roofing and you should be OK.  

Thanks for the warning. The central air is up there. Pat

 

Q. If I get another Scanner Beam from you to go with the one I have now, how far apart would they have to be in order to stack them?
Would stacking them narrow the directivity by half what it is now for a more narrow beam? If my memory is correct stacking them will increase the signal by about 3 db? J Cowan

A. Right about the 3 dB. Keep them about a half-wavelength apart at the lowest critical frequency; that's usually about three feet or so (VHF hi band).

Q. A friend recommended the Icom AH-7000 Discone antenna to me.  It believe it is fairly large and bulky though.

A. Discones are fine for local-area VHF/UHF reception, but they have no gain. Our Grove Scanner Beam outperforms it at lower cost, and you can buy the needed length of RG-6/U coax from our inventory.

Q I know larger is better for reception but I was looking at the AOR SA-7000 that you carry as it looks more stealthy (which would make the wife happier).  Is one design better than the other?   I will actually need a second antenna (at some point) for the shortwave frequencies as the Icom receiver needs two types of antennas for full receiver coverage.  I am looking for suggestions in that area to.  

A. The SA-7000 is an excellent, all-band antenna. We sell these to the government and they are quite happy with its performance. Its quite compact which would, indeed, make your wife much happier!  

Q. I know with cable TV the RG6 cabling is one of the better types.  I noticed that both the AOR and ICOM antennas come with 50 feet of RG-58/U which I though was not that great.  Is it better to replace the included cables with say RG6 or RG8 or LMR240?  You only carry the RG6 type cables, correct?  Is it worth spending the $$ for the better cables?  My run from antenna to receiver should be under 75' but probably over 50', I need to measure it.

A. RG-58/U is not a good choice at VHF/UHF. RG-6/U is much better, especially for longer runs at the higher frequencies. RG-58/U is fine for shortwave.

Q. I know TV antennas used to have a ground wire running to a copper rod.  Should scanner antennas be grounded the same way?  Does the receiver itself need to be grounded?  I do plan on purchasing your lightning arrestor that you sell along with whatever antenna I purchase from you.

A. Grounding an antenna or receiver does not improve signal strengths, it only guards against shock hazard and sometimes may reduce electrical noise interference, especially at shortwave and long wave frequencies. It is easiest to run a ground from the receiver.  

Q. Once again, I am going to ask the age old question:  how do you ground SW, CB, scanner equipment from the third floor of an apartment building?  Or, is there any reasonable solution to this matter? 
 M Simari

A. Decades ago when longwave and shortwave were the dominant wavelengths for communications, grounding provided an important part of the antenna system. A transmission line went up to an elevated wire antenna, and the ground provided a counterpoise to complete the RF circuit. Even systems utilizing radial ground elements were buried beneath the soil. As communications frequencies grew higher and higher, and wavelengths became correspondingly shorter, antenna elements grew smaller and the counterpoise systems were raised above the soil and, at the higher frequencies, even became part of the elevated antenna. Nowadays, with the vast majority of communications in the multi-megahertz range, earth grounds are used primarily for two things: Reduce electrical interference during reception, and provide a safety measure against electrical shock. They also provide a path to ground for lightning protection. If these are important considerations, then by all means install an effective earth ground with two 8-10 foot metal poles in moist soil, separated by several feet, and mutually connect them together with braided strap running to the radio. If these are not important considerations, ignore a ground; it won't affect scanner signal strengths one bit. 
 

Q. Many (???) years ago, I was advised that Radio Shack made a small, portable (Battery & A/C adapter) TV amplified antenna by the stock number 15-1607.  It was a small black box about the size of a pack of playing cards with two telescoping antennas attached to one end.  The "box" contained the electronics for amplification as well as space for batteries.  With the antennas completely collapsed (perhaps 4" long) and pointing opposite each other...almost in a straight line, the amplification on 800MHz is fantastic.  The antenna is equipped with a connecting cable (perhaps 3' long) and an on/off switch.  I contacted Radio Shack approximately a year ago and they explained that they had discontinued the product....no hope for return... I bought mine with the A/C adapter and it actually sits on one of the 5 or 6 scanners I've purchased from Grove.  
With such a GREAT product, I'm amazed that someone else hasn't introduced something equally as small and as good a performer.... Any ideas???
Thanks - Steve

A. I think there are several reasons why you don't see amplified, indoor, pre-amplified TV antennas any anymore:

(1) With the emergency of so many RF-generating consumer appliances, the likelihood of encouraging interference is much greater now;

(2) Transmitters are everywhere now so that even outdoors preamplifiers are likely to suffer from strong-signal overload resulting in poor reception;

(3) Satellite TV and cable are usually the answer for people in the boonies who used to be too far from TV stations to get good reception;

(4) Consumers now are of a plug-and-play mentality, no longer interesting in fiddling with accessories to make their reception better.

(5) If cable, satellite and VHF/UHF TV are not available, consumers have Internet, email, chat rooms, on-line video, DVD's and even multi-screen theaters for alternative entertainment.

 

Q. We use an am radio in a steel roof bldg, near St Paul, MN, so am signal strength is good. But the interference from the ceiling fans with an adjustable rheostat and fluorescent lights is very bad. The adjustable fan produces the most static. Any solutions?

A. Electrical interference on the AM radio band from fluorescent lights and speed-controlled fans as well as dimmer controls on lights is severe and well documented. It's also difficult to get rid of, or even reduce.  If you are using commercial wall speed control/dimmers, you can often reduce some of the interference by installing a capacitor, typically 0.47 (0.05) microfarad at 600 working volts (600 WV) across the control terminals that feed the fan or lights.

So far as the fluorescent ceiling lights, this may be due to improper grounding of the lights and the presence of the sheet-metal roof which acts like a giant transmitting antenna for the noise! Since I don't know what kind of radio and antenna you are using, I will assume it's a little AM/FM job with a built-in loop.
If you can't run coax from it to an outdoor antenna, you might be able to improve things with a passive, tuned loop antenna like our very popular and very effective Select-A-Tenna.

You position this loop near the radio, tune in your favorite station, then carefully tune the loop the that frequency. By moving the radio to a position that minimizes the interference, then doing the same thing with the loop, you may be able to reach a happy compromise in good listening.


 

Q. Is it ok to paint my antenna and mast? Will the signal be "lossy"? Steve

A. It all depends upon the contents of the paint. The solvent is no problem--it evaporates. But if the pigment contains lead (some whites) or other metallic components, or carbon (some blacks), it is absorptive to the signal and is, thus, lossy.  The same caveat applies to encapsulates like plastics and other resins
that are pigmented.

One way to test the different pigments before applying them is to put them on something dry and non-metallic and put them into a microwave for a few seconds to see if they heat up; if they do, they are lossy to RF. I should further clarify: Virtually anything will heat up in a microwave; this should be a comparative test among several samples to compare degrees of heating. I'd suggest putting them on white paper and let them dry first. You could even coax them to dry with the microwave, but let them cool off first before the next zap to test for loss
!
 

Q.  I am considering purchasing the AOR SA7000 antenna for scanning purposes. Have you experience with it and how does it compare to the
WINRADiO AX-71C Discone antenna and other antennae?  I use a JRC NRD 545 DSP receiver and I have installed the CHE-199 wide
band converter unit for use on the 30 kHz-2 GHz frequency range. R. Hamilton

A. The AOR SA7000 is an excellent antenna, both for receiving and low-power transmitting. It is compact and sturdy making it ideal for portable as well as long-term base installations. It has some gain in the VHF and UHF ranges. Any discone has the same advantages and disadvantages. The advantages are flat VSWR over a wide frequency range (typically 8:1 octaves or more), and they accept more power than most scanner antennas. The downside is that they have no gain, so their best use is for wide-frequency-coverage, relatively-local applications. They also roll off quickly in performance below their lowest stated frequency. Since you are using the one antenna for HF as well as VHF/UHF, I'd definitely opt for the SA7000. It's a popular favorite with our serious listeners.
 

 Q.    Can you provide me with the following information for one Diamond D130J  with an appropriate adapter cable to convert the connector to SMA? More detailed specs than are listed on the site.  I need to verify that it is a passive antenna and need more detailed frequency response characteristics.

A.    Yes, it is a passive antenna of the classical Discone design, but with one added refinement: It has a low-band (30-50 MHz) element on the top to favor that band as well, otherwise the frequency range would cut off sharply below about 100 MHz or so. 
        Realistically, then, the impedance-matched (50 ohms nom.) frequency range for transmitting is more like 80-1300 MHz, with the low-band element cut for transmitting in the amateur six-meter (50-54) MHz band; it is adjustable. 

Q.    Does the Scanner Beam II have a "standoff" mount for vertical mounting included? This kind of mount would position the antenna away from the mounting mast by a distance that would help the mast not affect the performance of the antenna. Bill

A.    Right, and yes it does. While I suspect there would still be interaction from the separation at low band (it doesn't stick out THAT far!), at those low frequencies we don't see much directivity anyway. But at VHF-high and above, the offset appears to be quite satisfactory    

Q.    I would like to know if your 'Grove Sky-Wire antenna' (ANT02) contains an impedance  matching transformer where the coax connects to the feed-point of the antenna? If not, how is the coax matched to the antenna's feed-point impedance over the range of 500 KHz to 30 MHz? Ed Dubinsky

A.    There is no balun transformer, nor would one work over the entire frequency range. As with any simple dipole, the Sky-wire has high and low impedance characteristics periodically throughout its effective range. A balun transformer would face the same challenge, maintaining a close match only periodically when feedpoint impedance is high. For receiving purposes, this is unnecessary.  For transmitting, a transmatch at the rig takes care of the mismatch to avoid damage to the transmitter. 
        We select an off-center feed-point which is a useful compromise between high and low impedance excursions. The length of the Sky-wire is enough to capture even weak signals adequately, compensating for any perceived mismatch loss, which is minimal at these low frequencies.

Q.    How do I ground scanner antennas? I have an 8 foot ground rod already in the ground, and will use 4 gauge bare copper wire. Would it ground with a clamp at the antennae mast (provided I scrape off paint there with a wire brush?), or does it have to be grounded on the co-ax outside connector? I have some of those ground blocks (I am using RG 6 with F connectors), but the hole is too small for # 4 wire, plus I understand that the more connectors in the line, you lose some signal gain).  Any advice you give me would be greatly appreciated. I have three antennas, two already up, and the other shortly. I understand I can run the ground to each antennae with one wire to the rod. W. Mitchell

A.    Grounding may do three things:

(1) Reduce the hazard of electrical shock to the operator who may come in contact with an ungrounded, "hot" accessory;

(2) In some instances reduce local electrical interference to AM and shortwave broadcasts; and

(3) Provide an alternative path to ground for nearby lightning-induced voltage transients, rather than destroying the equipment. But keep in mind, nothing you can install will prevent damage from a direct lightning hit.

    That said, a good ground consists of two eight-foot rods about 10 feet apart driven into moist, conductive (not sandy) soil. All ground leads from your equipment should come down one heavy cable (like your #4 wire) attached between the two rods with a clamp, or heavily soldered. Your one ground rod may be adequate if the soil is quite moist. 
    When your coax lead-in is attached to your receiver(s) or scanner(s), the braided shield is already directed to ground by the chassis of the equipment. You don't need separate wires to each antenna mast. Depending on the type of antenna, grounding the mast may be of no use if the antenna elements are insulated from the mast. The the cable shield will always be connected to some part of the antenna and will always provide the ground you need for the three reasons cited above.


Q.
    Would the MFJ 1020 active antenna do my ATS 818 shortwave radio any good? What else would I need beside the PL-259 3' jumper cable to hook it up? 

A.     Only if you cannot put up any sort of external wire antenna, say, 20-30 feet long. Remember, any indoor antenna, no matter how good it is, will be more vulnerable to interference from household electronics than a more distant outdoor antenna with shielded (coaxial) cable lead-in. 
Nothing but 12 VDC from the AC adaptor.

Q.    Would it work by just placing it on my kitchen table with the ATS818? I already have a high performance am radio from radio shack near the window
for better reception. So I am somewhat limited on what I can put near the window.

A.    Within the limits discussed above.

Q.     I am still trying to decide what antenna I need for my AOR 8200 Mk III I purchased fro Grove.  You recommended the Scantenna as an option.  If I want to pick up the AM bands along with short-wave and the rest, would I want to use a long wire antenna such as the PAR with the Scantenna or would I better off buying the AOR SA7000.  If I would go with two antennas, would I have to run two leads into the radio or can the two antennas be tied together somehow?
Rich Widga

A.    Since you have only one antenna jack on the scanner, you need either one continuous-coverage, wideband antenna or a combination shortwave antenna and VHF/UHF antenna interconnected through a combiner (a splitter like our SBL-1 connected in reverse).
For shortwave, you don't want too long an antenna or you will overload the scanner, resulting in intermod and images--phantom repeated signals appearing throughout the tuning range. 
    The AOR SA7000 is an excellent, passive, all-band antenna for this receiver. You could also use an antenna like our ANT-7 Scantenna which provides excellent VHF/UHF coverage, and some limited shortwave coverage as well. If you wanted to use the splitter for better shortwave reception, you could try any combination of shortwave antenna (like our ANT-2 Skywire or the H800 Skymatch) with a VHF/UHF antenna like the Scantenna or any other scanner antenna in our catalog.

 

Q.     I skimmed thru the questions and answers on your web-link.  Didn't find a solution for me.  I need an external antenna to clearly pick up the station about 100 miles away.  I don't have the luxury of accommodation for a long wire approach.  Any recommendation on one that I can mount on my current VHF/UHF/AM antenna mast? Thanks,  Dave

A.     You're right; I don't remember any discussions of that sort in my column. Essentially, in order to M broadcasters, you need one of these approaches:
        1. A longer antenna 
        2. A directional outdoor antenna like a Beverage
        3. An active antenna like our H800 Sky-Match
        4. An indoor loop antenna with or without an amplifier like the Select-A-Tenna

    In your case, if it's a clear-channel station so you don't need directivity on the antenna, I'd recommend either solution 3 or 4. An active antenna is omni-directional, so it will amplify everything (signals and noise) from all directions. 
    The indoor loop can be adjusted for maximum signal from a direction, or to minimize interference from co channel broadcasters or electrical appliances from other directions. But an indoor antenna of any type is vulnerable to both signal reduction because of indoor shielding (especially metalized Mylar insulation as well as aluminum siding) and wiring.

 

Q.     I am using a Grundig Sat 800 with a EMF Electro-Magnetic Field passive wire antenna (16ft.) string in my screened porch. Reception is slightly better than the receivers whip antenna. I am not allowed an outside antenna. Do you have any suggestions for an improvement over the antenna system I am using? Thank you, Edward Boynton


A.     Is it possible for you to mount, say, a 3' whip outdoors? If so, go for the H800 Sky-Match--it's a killer shortwave antenna! It's an active antenna that behave like a 100' wire.
    Other possibilities include running a wire antenna that has a cover (insulation) that would be neutral to its surroundings (brown against brick, slate great against the sky, etc.) either from your window to another on the building, or out to a tree or porch, etc.
    Finally, can you get into an attic crawl space? Suspend it from rafters, away from wiring, from end to end of the opening.
    An important thing to remember is to get the antenna as far as practical from wiring and appliances so that it doesn't pick up electrical interference; that's the reason that the distant antenna should be fed with coax, which is shielded. Bob

 

Q.     What makes a better shortwave receiving antenna;
        A half wave dipole wire antenna designed to be approximately  resonant in the middle of the shortwave band, whose length is 30 ft. used along with a "MFJ Deluxe Versa Turner" antenna tuner?
        A random wire antenna whose length is 60 ft or longer? S.J.

A.     I will take the random wire antenna at 60 feet since I have more capture area than the 30 foot. Using a tuner in a receive only situation is a big hassle and can not make up for the 30 foot difference in wire length. Larry Van Horn, N5FPW

 

Q. The manager of my local Radio Shack insist that a TV antenna turned on it's side, specifically the VU-190 XR, will work better than your scanner beam because it has  more elements and is tuned to the same range. And the RS antenna at $49.95, is on sale, I am looking for a VHF-UHF band directional to be used with a rotator to supplement my Discone. Why do you think  yours is better? H.  Eddleston

A. Your Radio Shack dealer has good knowledge of radio; believe it or not, our original Scanner Beam was fashioned from a TV antenna turned on its side! But over time, we gradually improved four versions of this, and the latest is, of course, our best. It's still made out of TV aluminum, and is made by the same company that makes RS's TV antennas (Antenna Craft), but it's custom designed to our proprietary specifications to have its best performance in the land mobile spectrum,  not the TV spectrum. This means a slight adjustment in element length and spacing. Now the final question: Will our Scanner Beam be superior to RS's highest-price VHF/UHF antenna, rotated over on its side? I suspect they would be about the same. But because ours is specific to the scanner frequencies, it's shorter, lighter, and less costly. Plus, you don't have to drill any new holes!


Q. I already have one of your above antennas in my attic which feeds an old Radio Shack PRO 2004.I was thinking of trying to boost the signals in the 45-140 MHZ range. Rather than going to a preamp ,which would also increase noise, I thought of buying another antenna & combining them for more gain. The question is How far apart should they be and how should they be connected for maximum gain. Brian M Moyse 

A. Any time you double your antennas (using the same make and model), you add only 3 dB gain, and that's only in its favored direction; you also reduce gain in its other directions. Essentially, then you are making a directional antenna. To prevent too much interaction between the antennas, they should be separated by at least a quarter wavelength at the lowest frequency of interest. In your case, that would be about 6 feet  at 40 MHz; for high band and above, you would separate them only about 3 feet. Don't expect miracles, however; 3 dB gain is only noticeable on very weak signals which are experiencing hiss, and you will reduce, somewhat, reception off the sides. The best bet is always choose the  best single antenna for the job and use low-loss coax

 

The only reason for using a balun or transmatch is to protect the transmitter output from high voltages that may appear due to mismatch. Because of this potential damage, modern solid-state transmitters have an automatic shut-down circuit that lowers power if a mismatch greater than 3:1 is sensed. 
     A half-wave dipole works well without a balun or transmatch on the frequency for which is it cut; it also works well on odd harmonics. Thus, a 7 MHz dipole performs well on 21 MHz without a balun or transmatch. 
    It's when you try to operate a dipole on multiple frequency ranges that you need to match the system with an external device. But for receiving purposes, you don't. A badly-matched dipole may have slightly reduced signal strengths as shown on a meter, but the signal will still be above the noise. If the system was perfectly matched, the S meter would read higher, but the signal and the noise would both have come up, thus the signal would still be the same amount above the noise. No real improvement in audibility.

Q.    I'm inquiring about the ATI EMP Surge Protector.  During high winds and nearby thunderstorms my roof antenna (not grounded) causes static zaps up to every 6 seconds at the connector.  I can visibly see a spark.  I know for sure there has been times where it has been plugged into the radio while the discharges occurred.. :(  I'm curious if the ATI Surge Protector will protect me against these static discharges even though I don't ground my antenna. Also, mentioned is the different connector I can request upon the order..  If I order the ADP 9-BNC Male will one end be BNC female for the antenna itself?  I want the BNC male end for the scanner itself. Is the LAR basically a grounding block and require its own ground?  Thanks for any info Mike

A.   
The LAR-1 is a metal housing containing a gas-discharge tube connected between the center conductor ant the metal housing. It doesn't have any effect on the signal voltage until it senses an unusually high voltage (approx. 60 volts and higher), then it suddenly ionizes (electrifies) the gas in the tube and conducts the voltage like a short-circuit to the case. It doesn't really have to be connected to earth ground to work properly, because when it short-circuits the pulse, it protects the radio from that pulse ever reaching it. Naturally, an actual lightning strike to the cable will jump right over any arrestor--nothing will endure that--so it's only useful for normal surge exposures like high-power transmitters, nearby lightning strikes, etc. I've had these on my radios for over a decade with lightning hits within 400 feet, and have never had a loss.

        The lightning arrestor will protect equipment from these voltage so long as everything is grounded to an actual earth ground
(an 8-foot pipe driven into moist soil). The LAR1B would have a BNC on one end for the scanner and a F connector on the other. You can purchase a separate adaptor.

Q.    How do you know if they are working and how do you know if they are broke and need replacing?

A.    The simple, direct answer is, you don't. It's like an adaptor: It is subject to corrosion, aging, loose fitting, and you really don't know anything is wrong until you become aware of gradual signal degradation, so you replace it and, Holy Cow!, signals get better!

The problem with the lightning arrestor, though, is that you also depend upon its ability from a nearby lightning strike from turning your receiving station into modern art. A general guide would be: Check all connections at least once a year for moisture, corrosion, tight fit. If signals seem to be lower in level, especially if there has been a nearby (a few feet) lightning strike, or if you see electrical burn marks anywhere on or near your antenna system, replace the arrestor. Examine the coax and antenna as well for replacement.


Q.    Mobile Roof Mount antennas-scanner-2m/440  
        Will mounting antennas there lessen my signal quality? R. Martinez    

A.    Unfortunately, most luggage rack mounting bars are either too small for an NMO mount, non-metallic so they won't work at all, or too high to  maintain an appropriate impedance match with the car roof.  I guess you could get a mag-mount adaptor; our NMO version of the Nil-Jon Super M would fit an NMO mag-mount.

Q.    Ref PAR End Fedz S/W antenna ANT08
 With an end fed S/W receiving antenna, as above, what is the best  pickup direction? In line, or at right angles to length? Can directivity be changed by having one end higher than the other? B. Crewe

A.    The radiation (receiver or transmit) pattern of a dipole does not change as you relocate the feedpoint, so an end-fed dipole of a specific  length has the same pattern as a center-fed dipole. Yes, the pattern will change slightly as you lower one end, looking more like a sloper. The pattern will favor the sloped direction.

Q.    Subject: Scanner Beam
        I bought one of your "Scanner Beams" about 10 years ago. Used it for a while then removed and stored it when I needed extra space on my rotor. I would like to put it back up but this time I want to buy another and stack the 2 of them. Your antenna looks just like the ones made by Antennacraft in Burlington Iowa...or at least your "OLD" model did. What are the changes made to this "NEW" improved version. I want to
eliminate any "unforeseen" problems in stacking antennas with different characteristics cant understate the importance of having 2 identical
antennas if I want to stack them. Can an old one be stacked with a "new" one??? By any chance would you know the distances between the 2 for optimal Bandwidth and/or Gain??.  I at least need to know if they are similar enough to stack without problems due to differences either mechanical or electrical.  R. Yurek

A.    The new Scanner Beam has virtually identical characteristics except for directivity; that's why we developed the new model. The old one had  two main lobes displaced off center from the front of the boom by about 45 degrees so that aiming the antenna between 100-200 MHz gave false bearings. I wouldn't stack two different versions, so if you're stacking two Scanner Beams, they should be the new model. This isn't just to sell you a second antenna, but to prevent destructive interference from trying to phase two antennas with different patterns. But keep in mind, under perfect conditions, you will only gain 3 dB (1/2 an S unit) when you stack two identical antennas, but the pair will provide sharper directivity.


 
Q.    I currently have a long-wire antenna mounted at one end (with required  cable/insulator) to a TV antenna tower. I presently run a coaxial cable out  through a window and attach the center conductor to one end of the  long-wire, the braid to the metal tower (mediocre ground, but it does reduce noise).  I'm looking to set this up properly. What would you suggest for:

Q.    Hooking the coax to the long-wire

A.     How long is the wire? This guides the answer as to where to hook the coax. If it is 40-150 feet (approximately), you should put your insulator at or near the center, then the shield to one side of the insulator and the coax center conductor to the other side. If it is shorter than 40 feet, you attach the coax center conductor to the near end of the wire, leaving the shield floating, or to a ground if that reduces noise.

Q.      Grounding of the coax braid (perhaps covered above in #1)

    A suitable ground consists of two 8' metal rods separated by about 10' and fed by heavy braided cable. Keep in mind, however, that this will only protect you from electric shock, and may reduce noise; it won't make signals stronger.

Q.     Lightning protection at the junction between coax and antenna

A.     We recommend a gas-discharge type device, not a spark gap, anywhere between the antenna and the radio. We sell a suitable device that attaches to the back of your radio and you can connect a ground wire to it. Remember, however, that nothing survives a direct lightning strike. It is better to disconnect the antenna cable from the radio during a severe electric storm where lightning is popping all around you.

Q.     Direction of coax into house (tower/antenna) is adjacent to window of  listening room

A.     It's better to run the coax as close to a right angle to the wire for as far as you can, at least 10-20 feet, if you want to keep the pattern uniform. If that is not the case, you can bend it closer than that, but try not to run it parallel to the wire for a long distance.
 
Q.     Ease of disconnection of system during electrical storm (plenty of them out on the prairie where I live); if disconnection at radio, hazards of leaving "tag end" of coaxial unattended?

 A.    Old-timers would drape the removed cable and connector into a glass beverage tumbler to add the increased insulation of the glass.

Q.     Requirement for grounding of receiver; perhaps a moot point if ground is established at junction of coax/antenna

A.      As above. It's absolutely not necessary to have a ground for signal improvement.

    You can see our lightning arrestor on our web site at http://www.grove-ent.com/LAR.html; we also have adaptors suitable for your requirements.

Q.  I have an old Grove Omni dipole antenna.  The elements are equal length, 48 inches long.  I recall that the top element should be shortened for best reception, but I don't recall how much to cut off.  What length should the top element be? P. Vieth

A.    18" for the top element. Actually, you can turn it upside down; there may be some erratic pattern differences depending on distance from the pole and coax, but it's essentially the same whether you cut the bottom or top to 18".


Q.    I have about 50ft of heavy copper wire in the air  and the center of coax solder to it. What I want to know is, should you use a balun on it for noise? Dave

A.    No, if you don't have the shield attached to something, a balun won't work. A balun is a transformer with two windings, (or a winding with a tap). Even if you do cut the antenna wire and insert a strain insulator to make a dipole, and attach the coax shield and center conductor to the input of the balun, this would only be for impedance matching; it won't affect noise.

Q.     I recently ordered 100' of coax and installed an outdoor antenna for my scanner. Is it necessary to have a ground wire attached to the antenna mast? I noticed you carry something called a lightning arrestor which attaches between the scanner and the coax, would you recommend that I install that? D. Boyle

A.    A ground is absolutely unnecessary for scanner reception, and even on lower frequency ( long and short wave) radios, all a ground does is prevent electrical shock from faulty AC installations, and occasionally reduce background electrical noise.
So far as the lightning arrestor goes, yes, it's a good idea. I have on on each of my personal scanners, transceivers, and shortwave receivers, and have never had a problem from nearby lightning strikes.

Q.     I will be purchasing one of your sw antennas and am considering AOR SA-7000 or H-800 with the below data, which antenna do you recommend? I live in N. Central W.A., 26 miles south of the Canadian border, elevation 3200' with adjacent mountain ranges of 4200'. My house has a metal roof and I want to elevate the antenna above the roof line. Do you have mounting posts suitable for attachment on cross beam to elevate antenna? The antenna will be mounted facing north (side of roof line). B. Ronson
 
A.     Since I don't know what kind of receiver you are using, I am somewhat limited in my response. I'm going to assume that you are interested only in frequencies below 30 MHz. While we don't have any additional hardware (you can get that from Radio Shack), I would recommend the H800; it has considerably more gain than the SA7000 which is a passive antenna intended for use with super-wide-frequency-coverage receivers (typically 100 kHz or below all the way up to 2000 MHz.) If you are interested in the best shortwave performance, and don't have room to put up an elevated dipole wire antenna, I'd go with the H-The SA7000 is a passive antenna, but works very well. Performance exceeds that of a Discone, but unfortunately, I've been unable to get any actual gain figures. We've sold quite a number of these, and none has ever come back.

Q.     Is there a wide band amp on the AOR SA700 antenna? What is the gain over the Diamond Discone ? D. Mac

A.    The SA7000 is a passive antenna, but works very well. Performance exceeds that of a Discone, but unfortunately, I've been unable to get any actual gain figures. We've sold quite a number of these, and none has ever come back.

Q.     Hey folks, I mistakenly picked up a Grove Skywire from your website, thinking it would be suitable for FM use.  Having read the manual and noticing the large UHF connector, it's not going to work. Which of your products would be a good match for my needs?  I need FM capabilities with a standard coax connector to plug into my receiver (not sure of the official name, whatever the standard connectors that cable TV uses). Basically I'm looking for an improvement over those lousy Terk amplified antennas, since my area gets poor reception. M. Volpi

A.     I think our OMNI-II would be ideal. Although made for scanners, it has outstanding FM broadcast performance. You can keep the cable and simply remove the adaptor(s) since the OMNI and your receiver both have TV-style F connectors.


Q.    I am writing this letter in the hope that I can contact someone who could give me recommendations - including part numbers and costs  - for equipment to improve my Short Wave Radio listening.
        I have been using a Radio Shack DX-392 portable shortwave radio with a Radio Shack Antenna Tuner for about many years now.  I have been a short wave radio listener for about more than 40 years, and have been successful in hearing
such stations as Mongolia, Namibia, Vanuatu etc. on my portable recently.  I typical